Comments on: Milk, Does It Do A Body Good? Part 4: The Final Word* http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/ Master Your Kitchen. Eat Real Food. Sat, 14 Apr 2012 16:09:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: CrossFit Griffin » Blog Archive » Nutrition in Milk and Milk Substitutes http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-1028 CrossFit Griffin » Blog Archive » Nutrition in Milk and Milk Substitutes Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:37:00 +0000 http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/?p=768#comment-1028 [...] fat content of whole milk. There are a couple big reasons for that. First, you all know my take on pasteurized milk vs. raw milk. But I can’t find a nutrition label for raw milk. As such, for comparison purposes, we need a [...] [...] fat content of whole milk. There are a couple big reasons for that. First, you all know my take on pasteurized milk vs. raw milk. But I can’t find a nutrition label for raw milk. As such, for comparison purposes, we need a [...]

]]> By: Gary-A http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-1027 Gary-A Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:47:53 +0000 http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/?p=768#comment-1027 JJ: Not to mention the milk we're feeding our newborns probably doesn't come from a cow ;-) Fantastic series, Scott! I stumbled over it and read the entire thing instead of proofing my workshop assignment. Now, I was wondering if you could write a 5-part series to justify my insatiable love for cheese :-D JJ: Not to mention the milk we’re feeding our newborns probably doesn’t come from a cow ;-)

Fantastic series, Scott! I stumbled over it and read the entire thing instead of proofing my workshop assignment.

Now, I was wondering if you could write a 5-part series to justify my insatiable love for cheese :-D

]]> By: David http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-1026 David Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:50:35 +0000 http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/?p=768#comment-1026 Brilliant article all round. Really enjoyed reading that. Brilliant article all round. Really enjoyed reading that.

]]> By: jj http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-1025 jj Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:37:30 +0000 http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/?p=768#comment-1025 No animal drinks milk beyond weaning age. Milk is full of hormones that promote cell proliferation. Countless people have recovered from countless health problems by removing dairy alone (we've all heard the stories). Milk is for growing calves, not fully-grown adults. PUbmed articles will show you that drinking milk DOES increase human levels of IGF-1, we absorb it and our levels shoot up. Of course it has good things in it, it's for new-borns and new-borns need all that stuff, but humans just haven't evolved to get those nutrients from milk past weaning age. We haven't evolved to take those amounts of hormones as adults. That's the critical factor. If you want your fat-solubles, eat fatty meat and fish, like your ancestors. And remember more is not better, it's not how much it's what we can absorb. No animal drinks milk beyond weaning age. Milk is full of hormones that promote cell proliferation. Countless people have recovered from countless health problems by removing dairy alone (we’ve all heard the stories). Milk is for growing calves, not fully-grown adults. PUbmed articles will show you that drinking milk DOES increase human levels of IGF-1, we absorb it and our levels shoot up. Of course it has good things in it, it’s for new-borns and new-borns need all that stuff, but humans just haven’t evolved to get those nutrients from milk past weaning age. We haven’t evolved to take those amounts of hormones as adults. That’s the critical factor. If you want your fat-solubles, eat fatty meat and fish, like your ancestors. And remember more is not better, it’s not how much it’s what we can absorb.

]]> By: Kelly the Kitchen Kop http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-1024 Kelly the Kitchen Kop Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:37:31 +0000 http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/?p=768#comment-1024 Hi Scott, An important note on your #5 recommendation: be sure the organic milk you find is not ULTRA-pasteurized! Ultra-pasteurized basically means it is even more of a "dead" product than regular pasteurized. Want proof? Look at the use-by date: usually a couple MONTHS away. It doesn't even need refrigeration, it is only in that section of the store because shoppers would be disgusted at the thought of buying milk off the shelf. We drink raw milk daily as a source of real, alive, raw food in our diet and all do very well on it. We live in Michigan and get it through a cow-share program. For my day care kids (and for us when we run out of our raw milk each week) I found some local, grass-fed, pasteurized but not homegenized milk. ("Moo-ville Creamline") One more thing, like you mentioned, Scott, we should drink WHOLE milk only - the way it comes naturally...unless you're skimming some cream off to make butter, that is. :) Kelly Hi Scott,

An important note on your #5 recommendation: be sure the organic milk you find is not ULTRA-pasteurized! Ultra-pasteurized basically means it is even more of a “dead” product than regular pasteurized. Want proof? Look at the use-by date: usually a couple MONTHS away. It doesn’t even need refrigeration, it is only in that section of the store because shoppers would be disgusted at the thought of buying milk off the shelf.

We drink raw milk daily as a source of real, alive, raw food in our diet and all do very well on it. We live in Michigan and get it through a cow-share program. For my day care kids (and for us when we run out of our raw milk each week) I found some local, grass-fed, pasteurized but not homegenized milk. (“Moo-ville Creamline”)

One more thing, like you mentioned, Scott, we should drink WHOLE milk only – the way it comes naturally…unless you’re skimming some cream off to make butter, that is. :)

Kelly

]]> By: Sasquatch http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-1023 Sasquatch Sat, 31 May 2008 19:34:28 +0000 http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/?p=768#comment-1023 Jenjen, It's not about the minerals, it's about the vitamins! Fat-soluble vitamins like D and A alter mineral metabolism, so it affects the minerals indirectly. They are critical for dental health. You can eat all the minerals you want and it won't do you any good unless you have those fat-soluble vitamins to use them properly. Grass-fed dairy is a good source of A and a source of D. If you don't want to eat dairy, you can replace it with calf's liver (A), and plenty of sunshine (D) or vitamin D3 supplements. If you want to understand why removing milk caused your son's tooth decay, read "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration". It explains your situation perfectly. Sorry I'm sounding like a broken record here. Jenjen,

It’s not about the minerals, it’s about the vitamins! Fat-soluble vitamins like D and A alter mineral metabolism, so it affects the minerals indirectly. They are critical for dental health. You can eat all the minerals you want and it won’t do you any good unless you have those fat-soluble vitamins to use them properly. Grass-fed dairy is a good source of A and a source of D. If you don’t want to eat dairy, you can replace it with calf’s liver (A), and plenty of sunshine (D) or vitamin D3 supplements.

If you want to understand why removing milk caused your son’s tooth decay, read “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration”. It explains your situation perfectly. Sorry I’m sounding like a broken record here.

]]> By: Angel http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-1022 Angel Sat, 31 May 2008 15:50:43 +0000 http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/?p=768#comment-1022 Jenjen - what kind of dairy did you cut? Raw milk or the usual processed stuff from the grocery store? This is pure speculation - but perhaps if you cut raw milk from his diet, it's possible some of those raw milk helpful bacteria were outcompeting the tooth decay bacteria. Also (and this is not speculative) magnesium is extremely important for bone health. Jenjen – what kind of dairy did you cut? Raw milk or the usual processed stuff from the grocery store?

This is pure speculation – but perhaps if you cut raw milk from his diet, it’s possible some of those raw milk helpful bacteria were outcompeting the tooth decay bacteria.

Also (and this is not speculative) magnesium is extremely important for bone health.

]]> By: Scott Kustes http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-1021 Scott Kustes Sat, 31 May 2008 12:17:35 +0000 http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/?p=768#comment-1021 Dave, I think you're alright with a bit of real yogurt. Liz, not sure if the advice is different for pregnant women or not. As far as I'd suspect, pregnant women don't have wholly different nutritional needs, just a higher bar due to "eating for two". Then again, I've never been pregnant (though if I could pull that off, I'd be rich!), nor have I ever really researched it. Thoughts? Stephan, good call. That's pretty much what I tried to portray. It's not an optimal source of nutrition, but in its raw form, it's also not going to kill you and is pretty good stuff. Lots of vitamins and a concentrated source of protein and fat. I'm still not sure what to make of the betacellulin, but you may be right about fermentation. It's probably also not a huge issue if milk isn't your staple food. Jenjen, have you read the first piece about calcium and magnesium? What does he eat? Cheers Scott Dave, I think you’re alright with a bit of real yogurt.

Liz, not sure if the advice is different for pregnant women or not. As far as I’d suspect, pregnant women don’t have wholly different nutritional needs, just a higher bar due to “eating for two”. Then again, I’ve never been pregnant (though if I could pull that off, I’d be rich!), nor have I ever really researched it. Thoughts?

Stephan, good call. That’s pretty much what I tried to portray. It’s not an optimal source of nutrition, but in its raw form, it’s also not going to kill you and is pretty good stuff. Lots of vitamins and a concentrated source of protein and fat. I’m still not sure what to make of the betacellulin, but you may be right about fermentation. It’s probably also not a huge issue if milk isn’t your staple food.

Jenjen, have you read the first piece about calcium and magnesium? What does he eat?

Cheers
Scott

]]> By: Jenjen http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-1020 Jenjen Sat, 31 May 2008 02:54:52 +0000 http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/?p=768#comment-1020 I cut dairy out of my five year old son's diet, and his teeth began to decay rapidly. What source of tooth-building minerals is there besides milk? I cut dairy out of my five year old son’s diet, and his teeth began to decay rapidly. What source of tooth-building minerals is there besides milk?

]]> By: Stephan http://www.realfooduniversity.com/milk-does-it-do-a-body-good-part-4-the-final-word/comment-page-1/#comment-1019 Stephan Fri, 30 May 2008 19:15:49 +0000 http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/?p=768#comment-1019 Hi Scott, Nice series. I agree that dairy probably isn't 100% optimal for humans, but I think there are some pretty big caveats to that statement. One thing that's critical is that milk is a good source of fat-soluble vitamins, especially vitamin A. If you're being a good hunter-gatherer and eating your liver, then you're OK, but most people don't so the vitamin A in dairy is important. There's also that mysterious "Price factor" that Weston Price was convinced is an important nutrient in grass-fed dairy. Who knows what he was seeing, but given his track record, I'm inclined to believe him. Price was convinced that it's essential to have a rich source of fat-soluble vitamins in the diet, and milk fat was one of the ways people got it. I think the proof that dairy can be a big part of a healthy diet is in the healthy cultures that consume it: Weston Price identified Swiss villagers in the Alps and the Maasai as two of these groups. When you have empirical data like that, it's hard to take seriously the threat of things like betacellulin. Oh one more thing, those cultures all fermented their milk and/or separated the fat. Maybe fermentation breaks down some of the hormone-like substances. Hi Scott,

Nice series. I agree that dairy probably isn’t 100% optimal for humans, but I think there are some pretty big caveats to that statement. One thing that’s critical is that milk is a good source of fat-soluble vitamins, especially vitamin A. If you’re being a good hunter-gatherer and eating your liver, then you’re OK, but most people don’t so the vitamin A in dairy is important. There’s also that mysterious “Price factor” that Weston Price was convinced is an important nutrient in grass-fed dairy. Who knows what he was seeing, but given his track record, I’m inclined to believe him. Price was convinced that it’s essential to have a rich source of fat-soluble vitamins in the diet, and milk fat was one of the ways people got it.

I think the proof that dairy can be a big part of a healthy diet is in the healthy cultures that consume it: Weston Price identified Swiss villagers in the Alps and the Maasai as two of these groups. When you have empirical data like that, it’s hard to take seriously the threat of things like betacellulin.

Oh one more thing, those cultures all fermented their milk and/or separated the fat. Maybe fermentation breaks down some of the hormone-like substances.

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